You say, "it is merely that it appears impossible to detect any such effect in the data that the Office for National Statistics released.". This is a point that has been made before I'm sure, but if you look at the age range 14-44 in the ONS statistics, between the start of January and 17th September, the deaths in 2021 are 11890 and in 2020 were 10728, with the 10 year average of the same period being in the years 2010-19 being 10667. The 2020 figure is close to the 10 year average but the 2021 figure is over 10% higher. Obviously there may be many reasons for the increase in 1162 in the deaths in that period between 2020 and 2021, but a rise of over 10% of the average for the previous 10 years, does demand an investigation and an explanation. There is also a rise of 2391 between 2021 and 2020 in the age group 45-64, However this latter age group is obviously more vulnerable to Covid-19, and while the 2021 figure was 20% higher than the 10 year average, the 2020 figure was not far behind at 16%..
The problem I have with officially released data is that it always falls short. In the case of this post, the data are available by vaccine status but the lower age range has been neutered by the mixing such a large age range together. Other data are available with more granularity, but those data don't include deaths by vaccination status. It is very frustrating.
They're using the 'public health data asset' database, based on people who are both registered with a GP and who were in the last census. This isn't ideal -- as you say, it only covers 80% of the population -- but it should be a relatively unbiased subset of the population.
Thank you. Could it be that those who are unregistered with a GP are less likely to seek treatment and get vaccinated, thus understating the unvaccinated population more significantly than the vaccinated?
It is certainly possible. I find it very frustrating how lax the authorities are on monitoring the performance of the vaccines. Really there should have been proper cohort studies on the vaccine outcomes, and for the long term, not just the period after vaccination. There was a reasonable excuse to not do this 12 months ago as there was a rush to vaccinate those most vulnerable to covid, but there's no excuse for later vaccinations, particularly in non-vulnerable individuals (where risks could easily outweigh benefits) and for the booster shots (where the clinical trial data is very poor quality given the potential risks).
Also, when I check the fatality rates 60 and above, the vaccinated seem to exhibit close to normal all cause mortality while the unvaccinated are 2X (roughly) that. It hardly makes sense since C19 (what vaccines suppose to protect one from) simply can't account for such a discrepancy, especially over the summer. Other biases must be at play for sure.
It is worse than that. If you subtract covid deaths from all-cause-mortality you get 'not from covid deaths' -- and still see an increase in deaths in the unvaccinated. Clearly it isn't possible for the unvaccinated to have increased risk from non-relevant diseases -- this is why I suggest that it can only be because they didn't vaccinate those who were very ill and who were soon to die anyway. I can't think of an alternative explanation -- I'd be happy for anyone to suggest an alternative mechanism.
Thank you. Whenever official Covid statistics fail to explain the data, I have heard some use the term "undiagnosed Covid". This is one way to sweep anything that does not match reality under the rug, it seems.
They say the graphene shot has "downstream health benefits" ... who knows. Placebos work really well, don't forget. I've heard a number of people (who probably really did get a placebo) say they feel like Superman and nothing could bring them down after that. Imagine the health benefits of suddenly being able to socialize, NOT WEAR A MASK, etc. Ok, then people were told they still had to wear a mask, but the official advice continues to lean towards "vaccinated people are safe, invite only vaxxed people over for dinner" etc.
I mean it doesn't take a genius to figure out that if you feel you are an anti-vaxxer social pariah who is being targetted by the government and everyone calls you a terrorist and even publicly wishes you to die, or be "brought to justice" as NIH director Francis Collins recently said, that could have some real negative effects on your wellbeing. Also consider a number of hospitals and private practices will not treat unvaxxed people anymore.
You say, "it is merely that it appears impossible to detect any such effect in the data that the Office for National Statistics released.". This is a point that has been made before I'm sure, but if you look at the age range 14-44 in the ONS statistics, between the start of January and 17th September, the deaths in 2021 are 11890 and in 2020 were 10728, with the 10 year average of the same period being in the years 2010-19 being 10667. The 2020 figure is close to the 10 year average but the 2021 figure is over 10% higher. Obviously there may be many reasons for the increase in 1162 in the deaths in that period between 2020 and 2021, but a rise of over 10% of the average for the previous 10 years, does demand an investigation and an explanation. There is also a rise of 2391 between 2021 and 2020 in the age group 45-64, However this latter age group is obviously more vulnerable to Covid-19, and while the 2021 figure was 20% higher than the 10 year average, the 2020 figure was not far behind at 16%..
Thanks.
The problem I have with officially released data is that it always falls short. In the case of this post, the data are available by vaccine status but the lower age range has been neutered by the mixing such a large age range together. Other data are available with more granularity, but those data don't include deaths by vaccination status. It is very frustrating.
This set seems to understate England's entire population by 9-10 million - I find this fishy.
They're using the 'public health data asset' database, based on people who are both registered with a GP and who were in the last census. This isn't ideal -- as you say, it only covers 80% of the population -- but it should be a relatively unbiased subset of the population.
Thank you. Could it be that those who are unregistered with a GP are less likely to seek treatment and get vaccinated, thus understating the unvaccinated population more significantly than the vaccinated?
It is certainly possible. I find it very frustrating how lax the authorities are on monitoring the performance of the vaccines. Really there should have been proper cohort studies on the vaccine outcomes, and for the long term, not just the period after vaccination. There was a reasonable excuse to not do this 12 months ago as there was a rush to vaccinate those most vulnerable to covid, but there's no excuse for later vaccinations, particularly in non-vulnerable individuals (where risks could easily outweigh benefits) and for the booster shots (where the clinical trial data is very poor quality given the potential risks).
Also, when I check the fatality rates 60 and above, the vaccinated seem to exhibit close to normal all cause mortality while the unvaccinated are 2X (roughly) that. It hardly makes sense since C19 (what vaccines suppose to protect one from) simply can't account for such a discrepancy, especially over the summer. Other biases must be at play for sure.
It is worse than that. If you subtract covid deaths from all-cause-mortality you get 'not from covid deaths' -- and still see an increase in deaths in the unvaccinated. Clearly it isn't possible for the unvaccinated to have increased risk from non-relevant diseases -- this is why I suggest that it can only be because they didn't vaccinate those who were very ill and who were soon to die anyway. I can't think of an alternative explanation -- I'd be happy for anyone to suggest an alternative mechanism.
Thank you. Whenever official Covid statistics fail to explain the data, I have heard some use the term "undiagnosed Covid". This is one way to sweep anything that does not match reality under the rug, it seems.
https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19vaccine/95220
They say the graphene shot has "downstream health benefits" ... who knows. Placebos work really well, don't forget. I've heard a number of people (who probably really did get a placebo) say they feel like Superman and nothing could bring them down after that. Imagine the health benefits of suddenly being able to socialize, NOT WEAR A MASK, etc. Ok, then people were told they still had to wear a mask, but the official advice continues to lean towards "vaccinated people are safe, invite only vaxxed people over for dinner" etc.
I mean it doesn't take a genius to figure out that if you feel you are an anti-vaxxer social pariah who is being targetted by the government and everyone calls you a terrorist and even publicly wishes you to die, or be "brought to justice" as NIH director Francis Collins recently said, that could have some real negative effects on your wellbeing. Also consider a number of hospitals and private practices will not treat unvaxxed people anymore.