In recent days I’ve been seeing more casual reporting that we’re coming up to the 2 year anniversary of covid-19 arriving in the UK. In general, these reports talk of how covid-19 was found in China in December and started to migrate around the world in January 2020 only to be delayed by a few months by travel restrictions worldwide. I specifically recall the stories of people evacuated to the UK from Wuhan at the end of January and having to be isolated in case they were contagious — I recall this so well mainly because for some bizarre reason they ended up using three Horseman coaches to
I am 100% convinced that I contracted the virus in November 2019: in my town there is a large community of Chinese school pupils coming and going from a well-known public school for holidays back home in China. I had every single one of the symptoms, as well as a horrible feeling I was on the verge of pneumonia. I got over it. Obviously. Needless to say, I haven't had any fear of reinfection throughout the past couple of years. I have never worn a pointless mask or observed social distancing to much of a degree, despite working in a customer-facing retail position. Unjabbed too. Obviously.
My missus and I had a (presumed - no test available) infection early March 20 before everyone started to get all excited.
The BBC (whom I still watched in those days!) showed a map of known infections in mid March (pillar 1 tests) and it showed little clusters of 6 or 20 throughout the UK, even the far north of Scotland. It was obvious to me that it was well and truly established by then.
It's great to have your statistical analysis to confirm that covid was here in Nov/Dec 2019. I've had too many personal reports from England and Wales, of people having had the worst flu they ever had, in December 2019 and early January 202, before we've even heard of that 'new' disease, myself included.
And surely there must have been at least some who were, in covid-parlance, 'asymptomatic'?
Well, what a coincidence! So the latest "deadly virus" conveniently just happened to infiltrate the UK at the height of what would normally have been the winter influenza season.
And what happened next? Naturally, the poor old trad flu, obviously knackered after centuries of causing havoc, instantly departed, leaving the sceptered isle's killing fields open for its upstart rival.
And, naturally, the same story was replicated across every benighted nation and region where the "pandemic" was declared, with seasonal influenza mysteriously vanishing and for the most part totally disappearing (after routinely taking hundreds of thousands of lives globally each year).
And, naturally (and somewhat conveniently) the PCR test used to determine COVID infections turned out to be duff at distinguishing Stork from butter - or, rather, Kung Flu from ordinary flu.
And, naturally, it later transpired that the pandemic panjandrums had long been aware of the limitations of their "gold standard" COVID test but stayed schtum about its shortcomings.
Need I go on?
While one would be foolhardy to draw dogmatic conclusions from this little potpourri of facts, they surely raise some relevant questions, which have yet to be convincingly addressed, let alone answered.
Lots of anecdotal evidence to say that isolated cases turned up beforehand (i.e. well beforehand), but conditions were not right for a seasonal epidemic here in the UK. Conditions for exponential growth need to be 'just so' (temperature, humidity, human behaviour, weight of seeding) for it to cause an epidemic.
After all, only a few people are susceptible to serious disease (see https://reaction.life/sage-models-need-a-reality-check/), so it is more likely that it came to the UK incrementally in the 18 months prior to spring 2020, thus getting the UK to critical mass for an epidemic when conditions were right.
Is it not an outside possibility that the exponential epidemic phase of Covid began somehere other than Wuhan, but the state-of-the-art technology at the Wuhan Institute of Technology made it one of the few labs capable of detecting it, thus saddling them with the suspicion that it leaked from that lab? If it started somewhere else (Seattle comes to mind), then the lab leak theory is bullshit. People talk about the coincidence that Covid appeared next to a BSL4 lab, but maybe it wasn't such a coincidence, maybe it appeared there first because they had the technology to DETECT it, rather than to CREATE it.
My family had the worst Christmas 2019 after my eldest daughter came home from University with a streaming flu. We spent 2 weeks coughing and being unable to sleep - I remember at the time that the cough was odd becasue there seemed to be no reason for it . . . I was necking Beechams just to get to sleep.
The kicker - my daughter is in a department that is majority Chinese overseas students.
I'm still pretty sure I had the virus in January 2020. I was not particularly ill, but the dry cough lasted for three or four weeks. Other than that it was an average heavy cold. I felt rough but not enough to stop doing normal activities.
I, like many colleagues I work with, had an unusual cold in November 2019, which was mild but we all lost our sense of taste. Never had that symptom before or since.
The (to me) obvious FACT that this virus was spreading throughout the world by at least November 2019 is no trivial matter. As the author notes, the entire premise/logic that virus spread could be stopped or slowed by lockdowns in mid-March 2020 would have been impossible if (probably) millions of world inhabitants had already been infected by this time period. In a nutshell, public health officials have been lying from the beginning about the most important question - when the virus began to spread. Also, one cannot definitively state WHERE the virus originated if "researchers" are only looking at one possible nation or lab. As I ask in this article, does a "search for the truth really matter?" Either A) public health officials were too incompetent to realize a new virus was spreading around the world or B) They knew/know this and have covered up this knowledge from the public.
Hi Bartram, I'm late to this discussion because you and I have had this conversation before.
With that said, I have some potentially interesting information regarding Omicron (assuming I had Covid in December 2019 as I initially thought).
What I am going to write is going to be quite long, but very likely of interest to you, so please let me know if you want to hear it (edit, I wrote it :) ).
The crux is that I was extremely ill yesterday with what can only have been Omicron, but I took an IgG/IgM blood antibody test today which came back negative. My mother had Omicron symptoms but mostly gastro-intestinal. I find it virtually impossible that we both got sick at the same time, both had different symptoms (that are all within normal Omircron symptom range) and both had a very harsh, unusual respiratory illness in mid-December 2019). Yet, we test negative for Omicron antibodies (I called the company that makes the blood tests and they confirmed that the tests still work for Omicron, just FYI).
I'm very interested to know if the body actually mounts ANY antibody response after prior exposure or if it is purely a T/B-cell response. I am 99% convinced I just had Omicron (and I have no doubt that Omicron might cause illness in someone who had original Wuhan, because I am sure Omicron also came from a lab and that OAS can apply to natural immunity from the "Wuhan" variant.). I even have doubts about lab leaks because there is (as we discussed before) a lot of evidence that an original variant leaked/was released at the Wuhan Games (if I did have Covid in December 2019, this was the release point). It's possible that Wuhan got struck by something really nasty - an escaped LAV (live attenuated vaccine) that was made at the WIV that went wrong in response to the Wuhan Military Games release????
This is the problem with biowarfare. It's not so much that shit can go wrong, it's more that shit is baked into the cake, and it's a party to which the whole world is invited.
I got it Boxing Day 2019 in rural Ceredigion. Anecdotes say half of Lampeter and Tregaron also got it over Christmas and that a bunch of Chinese students from Wuhan arrived at Lampeter College in November 2019.
I'm glad I belatedly found this site and this thread. I too am convinced that the novel coronavirus was spreading - and spreading "widely" - in the world by at least November 2019 if not earlier. Furthermore, I am convinced that at least some "public health officials" must have known this and have covered it up for two-plus years. What strikes me the most is how public health agencies will NOT investigate credible claims of people who had the virus before the Wuhan Outbreak. Here are two articles I wrote showing copious and convincing evidence that this virus was infecting large numbers of people in the world before Dec. 31st, 2019.
My email address is included at the end of these articles for anyone who might have more information on "early spread" and the possible cover-up of this reality. I hope to produce a document that will summarize all of the evidence of early spread.
Not a query on the post (which is fascinating) but I’ve been hearing a lot in my family about a new study that has just been wheeled out by the BBC to demonstrate the evils of long covid. It relies on lung scans apparently. Or X rays. Or something involving pictures of lungs. And is very scientific, I’m told.
I haven’t seen it - I can’t bear to look at the BBC website - but it has spurred some of my triple vaccinated family members into shrill demands for yet another booster to avoid this dreadful fate. I presume renewal of the fear of long covid as a weapon, in these omicron/omnicold days, is the BBC’s intention here.
I wondered if you had any plans to look at the methodology of this study?
I am 100% convinced that I contracted the virus in November 2019: in my town there is a large community of Chinese school pupils coming and going from a well-known public school for holidays back home in China. I had every single one of the symptoms, as well as a horrible feeling I was on the verge of pneumonia. I got over it. Obviously. Needless to say, I haven't had any fear of reinfection throughout the past couple of years. I have never worn a pointless mask or observed social distancing to much of a degree, despite working in a customer-facing retail position. Unjabbed too. Obviously.
My missus and I had a (presumed - no test available) infection early March 20 before everyone started to get all excited.
The BBC (whom I still watched in those days!) showed a map of known infections in mid March (pillar 1 tests) and it showed little clusters of 6 or 20 throughout the UK, even the far north of Scotland. It was obvious to me that it was well and truly established by then.
Yes I firmly believe it was in the UK in 2019 as well. People didn't notice because they weren't told to notice!
https://nakedemperor.substack.com/
It's great to have your statistical analysis to confirm that covid was here in Nov/Dec 2019. I've had too many personal reports from England and Wales, of people having had the worst flu they ever had, in December 2019 and early January 202, before we've even heard of that 'new' disease, myself included.
And surely there must have been at least some who were, in covid-parlance, 'asymptomatic'?
Well, what a coincidence! So the latest "deadly virus" conveniently just happened to infiltrate the UK at the height of what would normally have been the winter influenza season.
And what happened next? Naturally, the poor old trad flu, obviously knackered after centuries of causing havoc, instantly departed, leaving the sceptered isle's killing fields open for its upstart rival.
And, naturally, the same story was replicated across every benighted nation and region where the "pandemic" was declared, with seasonal influenza mysteriously vanishing and for the most part totally disappearing (after routinely taking hundreds of thousands of lives globally each year).
And, naturally (and somewhat conveniently) the PCR test used to determine COVID infections turned out to be duff at distinguishing Stork from butter - or, rather, Kung Flu from ordinary flu.
And, naturally, it later transpired that the pandemic panjandrums had long been aware of the limitations of their "gold standard" COVID test but stayed schtum about its shortcomings.
Need I go on?
While one would be foolhardy to draw dogmatic conclusions from this little potpourri of facts, they surely raise some relevant questions, which have yet to be convincingly addressed, let alone answered.
Or before that? See https://theethicalskeptic.com/2021/11/15/chinas-ccp-concealed-sars-cov-2-presence-in-china-as-far-back-as-march-2018/.
Lots of anecdotal evidence to say that isolated cases turned up beforehand (i.e. well beforehand), but conditions were not right for a seasonal epidemic here in the UK. Conditions for exponential growth need to be 'just so' (temperature, humidity, human behaviour, weight of seeding) for it to cause an epidemic.
After all, only a few people are susceptible to serious disease (see https://reaction.life/sage-models-need-a-reality-check/), so it is more likely that it came to the UK incrementally in the 18 months prior to spring 2020, thus getting the UK to critical mass for an epidemic when conditions were right.
Is it not an outside possibility that the exponential epidemic phase of Covid began somehere other than Wuhan, but the state-of-the-art technology at the Wuhan Institute of Technology made it one of the few labs capable of detecting it, thus saddling them with the suspicion that it leaked from that lab? If it started somewhere else (Seattle comes to mind), then the lab leak theory is bullshit. People talk about the coincidence that Covid appeared next to a BSL4 lab, but maybe it wasn't such a coincidence, maybe it appeared there first because they had the technology to DETECT it, rather than to CREATE it.
My family had the worst Christmas 2019 after my eldest daughter came home from University with a streaming flu. We spent 2 weeks coughing and being unable to sleep - I remember at the time that the cough was odd becasue there seemed to be no reason for it . . . I was necking Beechams just to get to sleep.
The kicker - my daughter is in a department that is majority Chinese overseas students.
I'm still pretty sure I had the virus in January 2020. I was not particularly ill, but the dry cough lasted for three or four weeks. Other than that it was an average heavy cold. I felt rough but not enough to stop doing normal activities.
I, like many colleagues I work with, had an unusual cold in November 2019, which was mild but we all lost our sense of taste. Never had that symptom before or since.
The (to me) obvious FACT that this virus was spreading throughout the world by at least November 2019 is no trivial matter. As the author notes, the entire premise/logic that virus spread could be stopped or slowed by lockdowns in mid-March 2020 would have been impossible if (probably) millions of world inhabitants had already been infected by this time period. In a nutshell, public health officials have been lying from the beginning about the most important question - when the virus began to spread. Also, one cannot definitively state WHERE the virus originated if "researchers" are only looking at one possible nation or lab. As I ask in this article, does a "search for the truth really matter?" Either A) public health officials were too incompetent to realize a new virus was spreading around the world or B) They knew/know this and have covered up this knowledge from the public.
https://uncoverdc.com/2020/07/13/covid-19-is-a-real-search-for-the-truth-now-taboo/
Hi Bartram, I'm late to this discussion because you and I have had this conversation before.
With that said, I have some potentially interesting information regarding Omicron (assuming I had Covid in December 2019 as I initially thought).
What I am going to write is going to be quite long, but very likely of interest to you, so please let me know if you want to hear it (edit, I wrote it :) ).
The crux is that I was extremely ill yesterday with what can only have been Omicron, but I took an IgG/IgM blood antibody test today which came back negative. My mother had Omicron symptoms but mostly gastro-intestinal. I find it virtually impossible that we both got sick at the same time, both had different symptoms (that are all within normal Omircron symptom range) and both had a very harsh, unusual respiratory illness in mid-December 2019). Yet, we test negative for Omicron antibodies (I called the company that makes the blood tests and they confirmed that the tests still work for Omicron, just FYI).
I'm very interested to know if the body actually mounts ANY antibody response after prior exposure or if it is purely a T/B-cell response. I am 99% convinced I just had Omicron (and I have no doubt that Omicron might cause illness in someone who had original Wuhan, because I am sure Omicron also came from a lab and that OAS can apply to natural immunity from the "Wuhan" variant.). I even have doubts about lab leaks because there is (as we discussed before) a lot of evidence that an original variant leaked/was released at the Wuhan Games (if I did have Covid in December 2019, this was the release point). It's possible that Wuhan got struck by something really nasty - an escaped LAV (live attenuated vaccine) that was made at the WIV that went wrong in response to the Wuhan Military Games release????
This is the problem with biowarfare. It's not so much that shit can go wrong, it's more that shit is baked into the cake, and it's a party to which the whole world is invited.
I got it Boxing Day 2019 in rural Ceredigion. Anecdotes say half of Lampeter and Tregaron also got it over Christmas and that a bunch of Chinese students from Wuhan arrived at Lampeter College in November 2019.
I'm glad I belatedly found this site and this thread. I too am convinced that the novel coronavirus was spreading - and spreading "widely" - in the world by at least November 2019 if not earlier. Furthermore, I am convinced that at least some "public health officials" must have known this and have covered it up for two-plus years. What strikes me the most is how public health agencies will NOT investigate credible claims of people who had the virus before the Wuhan Outbreak. Here are two articles I wrote showing copious and convincing evidence that this virus was infecting large numbers of people in the world before Dec. 31st, 2019.
My email address is included at the end of these articles for anyone who might have more information on "early spread" and the possible cover-up of this reality. I hope to produce a document that will summarize all of the evidence of early spread.
https://uncoverdc.com/2020/06/25/an-alabama-man-nearly-died-from-covid-19-the-first-week-in-january/
https://uncoverdc.com/2020/07/13/covid-19-is-a-real-search-for-the-truth-now-taboo/
Not a query on the post (which is fascinating) but I’ve been hearing a lot in my family about a new study that has just been wheeled out by the BBC to demonstrate the evils of long covid. It relies on lung scans apparently. Or X rays. Or something involving pictures of lungs. And is very scientific, I’m told.
I haven’t seen it - I can’t bear to look at the BBC website - but it has spurred some of my triple vaccinated family members into shrill demands for yet another booster to avoid this dreadful fate. I presume renewal of the fear of long covid as a weapon, in these omicron/omnicold days, is the BBC’s intention here.
I wondered if you had any plans to look at the methodology of this study?