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Roslyn Ross's avatar

And who connects the dots? All worse since the Jabs took off. All worse since masks, distancing and lockdowns and with variants weaker than Covid original which was never particularly virulent in the first place.

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INFJ-T Advocate's avatar

Presently sitting with the symptom's of a respiratory infection. How does this wave compare to the waves in Portugal and Israel?

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Bartram's avatar

Case reporting in both Portugal and Israel aren't as reliable as they should be -- governments worldwide are cutting back on monitoring just as covid is becoming near-chronic in the population.

However, I'd guess that we're seeing a wave similar to that seen in Portugal and that ongoing in Israel.

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Fast Eddy's avatar

(which appear to include thrombotic related disorders, cardiac inflammation and possibly neurological effects).

I thought I saw a paper out of Israel that indicated Covid was not resulting in any heart damage...

This is off of Bossche's newsletter:

New Ultra-Contagious Omicron Subvariants BA.4, BA.5 Worsening California Coronavirus Wave

"There also have been some concerning findings in laboratory studies, which found that BA.4 and BA.5 were better able to infect lung cells than the earlier BA.2 subvariant of Omicron," she said.

https://news.yahoo.com/ultra-contagious-omicron-subvariants-ba-120056379.html

Increasing SARS-CoV2 Cases, Hospitalizations and Deaths Among the Vaccinated Elderly Populations during the Omicron Variant Surge in UK

“The increased cases with significantly increased hospitalizations and deaths among the elderly population during the Omicron variant surge underscores the need to prevent infections in the elderly irrespective of vaccination status with uniform screening protocols and protective measures.”

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.06.28.22276926v1

One has to wonder if the next wave will be a Perfect Storm of both highly contagious and 'Delta on Steroids'.... running into a population that has damaged immune systems due to the vaccines. (VAIDS)

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Kirsten's avatar

I didn't know but immunotolerance is, it does not sound good - "immunotolerance is a state of unresponsiveness of the immune system to substances or tissue that would otherwise have the capacity to elicit an immune response in a given organism.". Eeeek.

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Bartram's avatar

Immune tolerance is very important in the body -- it is what ensures that we don't mount an immune response to the stuff we eat (food and incidental), breathe (including pollen etc) and, to a certain extent, touch (including clothing).

In general, our immune system is rather good at working out what we should be tolerant to, and we're generally only aware of this process when it breaks down and we mount an immune response when we shouldn't -- we call this 'allergy'.

But it can work the other way -- if we expose our immune system to a constant stimulus over a long period of time then we can get 'high zone tolerance' -- the immune system decides that whatever it is that it keeps on seeing is 'normal', and thus there shouldn't be an immune response as though it was a pathogen. The fear is that the (mRNA) vaccines are producing spike protein for far longer than originally thought (not days but many weeks), and as soon as each jab starts to wear off give a booster. This longer term signal to the immune system is a recipe for immune tolerance. The consequence of this could well be chronic (long term) infection with covid -- we don't know what the health consequences of this would be, but as I've mentioned I'd assume that it would include thrombosis and cardiovascular risk.

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dontknow's avatar

Thank you for that lucid explanation. Are we seeing this differentiation between the vaxxed and the unvaxxed? I’m in NZ, so we get NO information other than advertising for more jabs for it AND the flu AND shingles( interestingly enough)//. Is there categorical evidence that the highly vaccinated are repeatedly getting Covid or have chronic Covid from which they don’t fully recover- but like a number of viruses is ever present and ‘re- emerges’ when the person is immune compromised? Does this make them more susceptible to other infectious agents- similar or the same as AIDS /VAIDS. How many doses of vaccine are too many doses as far as being totally compromised and it being irreversible? The high ‘infectious disease’ numbers we are seeing is currently being put down to being locked up for so long and now reopening to the world, which it undoubtedly is. If the vaxxed population is immune compromised ( to SARS or all infectious agents or any disease?) how long can governments cover this up I wonder- surely not long. Im most interested to see if differentiation stats exist for the vaxxed verses unvaxxed - is anyone doing this research? Thank you for all your work.

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Bartram's avatar

The influenza vaccines have never really had any decent evidence to support their use.

I'm broadly with Dr Alexander on each bottom being higher than the previous, however, we didn't see this at the most recent low. It also lasted a little longer than expected. I'm not sure as to why this might have been the case -- it'll be very interesting to see what happens to this infectious wave from here.

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